Indaba I - From Crisis to Clarity: Insights from Indigenous Teachings with Tom Blue Wolf - Part 2

The people with the microphone are.

And I don't care if they're on a news program, if they're politicians, they're all kind of like, they're all choosing horrible words to describe what they want, what they need.

I mean, they're using all of the antiquated metaphors and analogies.

Like, just like you said, it's like watching a horrible beast fight for its life.

You know what I mean?

And everybody else is like Song of the South.

I mean, I go to, like when I go over to Europe, for instance, just like you said, the conversations I have with those people are beautiful.

Conversations they want to have are beautiful.

You turn on the TV and the news anchors and the politicians are saying all these horrible things.

But then when you go out into the general population, everybody wants to be kind to each other.

So I'm going to say just from my experience, about 80% of the world wants exactly what you and I are talking about.

The other 20%, I'm going to say about 18% of them are confused because they don't have the power to understand their own thing.

They're trying to look for, for an anchor, you know, a safety valve.

And there's about 4 or 5% that are like demonic.

And they seem to be the instigators for these conversations.

They just have a lot of resources.

They've got the mic and they've got the volume and velocity turned up on that thing.

And it seems like it's more than it is, but it's really a small cadre cabal of crappy humans, crappy carbon based units that are making all the noise.

But in reality, I'm glad to hear that you're seeing the same thing I am because I was starting.

Oh yeah, I see it everywhere I go.

Yeah, everywhere I go there's a few people.

And it's almost like I said, it's almost like they're trying to keep this horrible beast alive.

You know, they're going to use all the fossil fuels they can until their last drop.

They're going to keep just, you know, tearing up our topsoil, so there's a problem and then pointing the blame somewhere else.

You know what I mean?

That they say, well, it's the supply chain.

I said, yes, the supply chain.

This world is not infinite, it's finite.

We're going to have to start doing the math, you know what I mean?

Now, I don't have any dog in this race, but I can tell you from doing some research, for instance, I found that a cow needs an acre of land.

The cows together eat 80% of all the vegetables grown in the United States.

A cow needs the same amount of water it takes to float a battleship to grow into an adult cow.

300 people could have eaten the food that cow ate.

And that cow is only going to feed 30 people after all of that.

I don't think it's a good trade.

It's a bad trade.

And if we're killing 150,000 cows a week to furnish burgers for these fast food restaurants.

And so our people say, well, you know, the reason we don't eat cows is not because of all that.

It's because cows represent complacency and we've had enough of that.

I'm up to here with complacency.

I'm not going to consume it.

I'm not going to consume any more apathy by eating pork.

I'm not going to consume any more fear by eating chickens.

It's already become part of the language, right?

Yes.

So all of a sudden you start thinking about these things and you say, wait a second, what have I given up?

Well, you're giving up.

This is.

This was a case in point, okay?

I'm in Cuba and I'm talking to these voodoo guys, right?

They're doing a ceremony.

And so he killed a couple of goats.

He killed a couple of chickens in the next room.

And I heard the screaming and everything, you know, so he walks in and he's, what do you think about our ceremony?

I said, well, I could have done without the blood.

I said, I don't like, you know.

I said, the screaming and the gnashing of teeth and the pain and suffering.

He said, well, let me ask you a question.

I said, what?

He said, do you see any grocery stores around here?

I said, no.

He said, you see any butcher shops?

I said, no.

He said, well, there's a thousand people in this village now.

Some of them are going to have goat meat and some of them are going to have chickens for dinner.

He said, and we told these chickens and these goats what was going to happen to them.

We didn't send them off to a slaughterhouse.

We did it.

We dealt with it.

We took responsibility.

They died a good, honorable death.

Now, if you're going to eat them, that's the way to kill them.

And then you send them off into the next world with some prayers.

He said, what do you guys do?

You throw150,000 baby chicks into a wood thrasher.

They have no idea what's happening.

And you Kill them while they're still alive, right?

Torture them to death.

You do the same thing with cows and pigs and every other animal.

You don't go out and hunt them anymore.

You don't go on face to face with them and take them out like an honorable death.

You know what I mean?

It's always somebody else's.

And by the time you see that hamburger, it don't look anything like that cow.

You know what I mean?

You're not having to think about where it came from.

That that cow had a mission, that cow had a life.

That cow was a sentient being.

Okay?

Now I'm not a vegetarian, but I see this clearly as behavior and actions and repercussions to actions and karma and all that kind of stuff.

I feel it.

It's not a good trade.

It's not a good trade at all.

There's plenty of things that humans can consume that have better energy and better information and are healthier substances than what we're currently eating.

Okay, but you know, you, you juxtapose that with these people with the microphone who are screaming, who've got money in the game.

They own these slaughterhouses, they own these prisons that are making money off of the justice system.

They own these gas companies like Chevron and Exxon and all these.

And they've got millions and billions of dollars and this is what means something to them.

They're not human anymore.

They don't care about the topsoil or the babies.

They might give a little bit of money to a non profit now and then they might do something over here for green pieces, but they do more damage than they do good.

And so it is like this beast is fighting for its like, you know, so these half a dozen people who have trillions of dollars between them can fund these operations trying their best to hang on to something that's so outdated and outmoded it's not going to be useful anymore.

It's going to be gone here pretty soon.

And just like you said, we are going through this right now.

It's like a, they call it the apocalypse.

It's like the lifting of the veil.

Things are becoming transparent.

We're starting to see these things now and hopefully we'll have the compassion and the, and the foresight and the intelligence to go through this shift as beautifully as possible.

That it won't take, you know, a revolution, some kind of a hostile situation for this to happen.

I think we're in a transformative disruption of what the.

One of the last shows they did on the Previous series of the Nexus was titled the Knowledge Apocalypse and the subtitle was the end of the curated narrative.

Because the.

As we've been talking about the language, the linguistics have been used to get a carefully crafted conversation to drive and the herd and the sleeple has resulted in complete failure.

It's fallen apart on its own.

It has been, obviously to me it's turned into a show of complete incompetence, inept abilities to do things with the kind of integrity and authenticity that we've been talking about.

And it's falling apart in front of everybody's eyes.

You don't have to be a rocket surgeon to see that stuff is broken and it's broke from the inside out, meaning it's finally to a place where people are starting to realize that you don't have to be a genius to see that common sense and the proverbial bullshit meters have been pegged into the red.

The conversation has been so polluted that you.

It's not hard to see that there's something broke, there's something wrong.

And what we're seeing, in my opinion, and I think you were sharing the same thing there is this transformative disruption right now.

We're all dancing around the dumpster fire.

We're trying to avoid it, we're trying to avoid getting tossed into it, getting consumed by it and interfering with our existence of trying to have a peaceful, respectful life of integrity and purpose.

That knowledge apocalypse, the unveiling of knowledge, I think is what we're about, what we're in the process of saying, and it's just the beginning of it.

So the truth of the teachings that you were talking about earlier, the simple fundamental of existence, of how we interact with ourselves and with the rest of the carbon based meat sacks that we, that we engage with, that is, that is going back to its source now people are starting to realize and I think that one of the, oddly enough, one of the things that was a benefit from this latest herding maneuver in this spam pandemic crap that we went through, it caused people, you know, everybody was told, go to your rooms and we'll let you know when it's okay to come out.

Right?

You'll get a treat when you come out if you're good.

But it caused something that I think has been missing in the conversation, the internal conversation within each one of us and that is self reflection, introspection, self examination.

What is it that I think about and why do I think about it the way I do?

And it goes back to what we've been talking about in the language, the linguistics, the words about around how we describe ourselves, the conversation that we have with ourselves is where the change is happening and where it's most needed.

And I think that's exactly what you're saying.

What are your thoughts on that?

Yeah, I agree.

We talked about that the other day.

You know, we said, wasn't it something that a little bit of fear could shut the whole world down?

The fear of death

from a silent, invisible killer.

How powerful was that?

That's what I'm saying.

I give him an A plus on pulling that one out.

Yeah, but look what it did to the earth.

I mean, whales were happy, elephants were on the beach, porpoises were swimming in the canals.

In Italy, the sky was blue, birds were singing.

Everybody was happy.

And I was thinking to myself, people say, well, you know, ordinarily we would never be able to do anything like that.

Just shut down the world overnight.

And Aston will fear was able to do it.

Would it be something if love could do it?

What is.

There are some cultures, as a matter of fact, in the world that take time out every week, every month, every year to honor the environment, to take it easy, to not drive their car, to not turn the things, you know, just to slow everything way down and take it easy on mama for a little while.

And I'm thinking, what if we could.

What if the first world countries did that, like Russia and China, the United States, we are the ones who are doing most of the problems.

And so I said, if we could set the example by saying, look here, you know, we're going to.

Because if we don't, Mother's going to do it, because she'll ultimately survive.

It's people who will be discharged.

And that's the sad situation, because I think it'll be the first time in history that we've ever killed ourselves on the earth with stupidity.

You know, I mean, usually it's an asteroid or some nuclear bomb.

You know, it's just, how did they all die?

They get stupid.

It's ironic that, you know, we've got all this chatter in the social discourse about this artificial intelligence thing.

Right?

Right.

And I've got a whole rant that I go on from my technology perspective that, you know, the two words, and going back to the linguistics again, are the wrong words put together for the wrong reasons, which is essentially just, to me, an example of the laziness of geeks in the creative and marketing perspective of how to use words.

They build really cool stuff sometimes, but they don't know how to package it.

They do a shitty job of packaging.

So artificial and intelligence don't go together because there is nothing artificial about intelligence, number one.

Kind of like military intelligence, right?

And people are thinking, well, you know, they're hearing all this fear mongering again using the most powerful emotion of fear like they did with this whole virus vaccine nonsense.

And they're throwing that now at the technology and we're getting it with the whole disclosure, with the UFOs, the Ufology and what I'm calling you foology that's going on in that space.

And there's just again a bunch of convoluted chaos in the conversation that by using words that aren't either, they haven't vetted the words, they haven't thought through, what the hell am I using these words for and why?

What am I trying to communicate?

So I think of this next generation of tech which I think is going to be very important in the evolution that we're going to see.

Some of the technologies and sound and light for healing, education, just learning and knowledge I think are extremely profound and they're going to be very useful if the people are allowed to develop them in some kind of self organizing way where the integrity of the group of people that have the interest and have the intent to learn and to use this new technology, this new knowledge in a positive way to help understand.

Like you were talking about the metrics or the math that you were doing on.

Well, when you do the math, this doesn't work out well.

That's a part of that introspection and rethinking of what the hell it is that we're doing with the tools that we have, with the knowledge that we have.

And why isn't that something that is more prevalent?

Why aren't people starting to see the benefits of facts and truth and knowledge?

Like you said, truth left the building a long time ago, probably followed Elvis on the way out.

But I think we're seeing in this fundamental transformation as we dance around the dumpster fires, all of that is required.

It's unfortunate, it's messy, but it's needed.

Because nothing that we are doing from our language through the institutions and the societal organizations and all of that can be fixed.

It's all broken, it has to be replaced, not repaired.

And that rebuilding from the ground up with a fresh, open, authentic and transparent.

You mentioned transparent.

I think that the transparency is the truth frequency.

The more that you can see for what it is going.

Again, referencing the first principle thinking and what I refer to as the nut of the nugget.

When you get down to that nut of that nugget, which is the transparent authenticity of the integrity of whatever it might be, then the reality of the truth and the love and the relationship can be revealed and it can be exposed and it can be expressed.

And it's that truth and that honesty that whenever I have conversations with you about this, it just.

I get refreshed.

I have a sense of being enthusiastic and hope for where we're going.

And it's something that I have always appreciated with you.

And I think that what you're about to do, going over to Germany and European trip, you're on that mission.

That's your purpose, to go make sure that that truth, that integrity, that authenticity through being the transparent person that you are, is going to go over there and make a difference.

Well, one of the.

Well, thank you.

I appreciate that.

One of the main focuses that we take with us is the.

The significance and how critical it is to have ceremonies and rituals and rites of passage in our culture.

Because one of the realizations that people sometimes forget if they even think about it, is that honoring our ancestors, like I said, you know, you and I are testimonials to a successful lineage of ancestors who avoided the genocide.

And you and I and everyone else here are the ancestors of the future.

So it's kind of like a link in a chain.

Now, we are going to be here just for a little while, but we're going to be ancestors for the rest of eternity.

So I'm thinking you better like it, you better be good at it, because you're going to do it for rest of time.

So I'm thinking that's why I believe the people that I have been taught by say that's who we are.

We're ancestors in training.

That's why we learn all these beautiful, elegant, elaborate kinds of characteristics.

Love is the healer.

Forgiveness is the medicine.

Reverence, respect, dignity, mercy, all these things, because once that we become part of the cosmos again, that's going to be our profile.

If it's not, then we're going to be part of the profile of all the horrible things that happen.

Black holes, place that can't be, you know, identified with a sweet dream, you know, and so that's.

And I've seen, in my experience, I've seen three things that measure people up in that way.

One of them, unfortunately, is a close call with death can have a significant effect on what we've been talking about, how people think about themselves and how they fit into the picture once they think they're just about to die, but they don't.

It could change everything.

Their value based decision making skills take a lot.

The other one is plant medicine.

I have seen people make a beautiful shift with ayahuasca and peyote and psilocybin and ibogaine and various other plant medicines.

The problem that I see is that it can become habit forming, not because of the substance, but because of people's habits.

You know, you find something beautiful, you run it in the ground.

Sometimes too much of a good thing is not a good thing.

It's like a glass of water is a beautiful thing, but too much and you drown.

That's right.

And so, but my favorite one is the one we're talking about where people just take the initiative, put the pieces together, come up with the idea that love is the main thing, and then stay there.

Like old roomy said, fall in love, stay there.

Then your decisions will be made from a place of love and it'll all be sweet.

A child friendly world, you know, where, where people can be, you know, safe.

That's what we want.

You make the children feel safe.

Because until you feel vulnerable, healing is pretty far away.

You've got to be able to be vulnerable to heal.

And so like I say over in Europe, this next trip is going to be a diligent attempt to alter the narrative.

And so what we do is we have people, we call it a ndaba.

And daba is a sacred conversation about things that really matter.

And so when people are heard, beautiful things happen.

When people get to say things out loud, you know, and they get seen and they get heard, they can shift, they can alter.

But that's respect, see, and that's dignity.

A lot of people, when they don't feel heard and they don't feel like they're being respected, I mean, wars can break out from too much disrespect.

So it's a beautiful thing.

And I think if we really were thinking about the topsoil, about our water, about our children, I don't see any, I don't see how anybody sane, any sane human being could take that information and turn it on us, you know, turn it around.

It would have to be that way.

I don't somehow another, we have to have these sacred conversations.

That's why ceremony is so important.

Put people in touch with their ancestors, put them in touch with the fact that you're going to be an ancestor one day.

You know, you would think again.

The fact that we all came through A mother, that we all need water, that we're all going to die.

That.

That be enough motivation to have us all understand we're all on the same ride.

And what we need to do is take care of this place and take care of each other.

I mean, somehow another greed, you know, the money, the hoarding, all those kinds of things.

The agriculture came into the picture.

Then people started thinking, this is mine, that's yours.

But once upon a time, we didn't have those pronouns.

We only had us, we and our.

I remember as a little boy, my fellow walked into my grandfather's hut, and they were talking about something.

My.

This man said, charlie, I know me, and you know what's going on, but what about all these others?

My grandfather said, there are no others on Earth.

It's just us.

You know what I mean?

So if you have the heart to include all people as your family, you know, these are my people.

I'm.

I.

Well, anthropology does that.

We just don't buy it.

If you look in anthropology, it'll call us the family of Man.

The family of man.

We.

We are a species.

And you would think that we would take that to heart and want everybody to like a sentient being.

You know, we would care about people's babies.

We care about the fact that they were eating.

In the villages where I grew up, the most wealthiest person, or the one that was considered the most wealthy was the one who gave everything away, and the one who had the most power was the one who least wanted it.

And so if you find somebody who is.

Who is humble, who has humility, who's strong, who is dedicated, who has integrity, you know, never lies about anything, who has everybody's best interest at heart.

Those kind of people don't want to be leaders, but they make the best leaders.

And so it comes down to a bumper sticker that says, you want to pick people and to be powerful, that smells people more than power.

You know, I think it was Jimi Hendrix that said, when the love of

power is exceeded by the power of love, then there will be peace.

Amen.

That's what I'm talking about.

So people know this, people see this, but it's the actualization of doing it.

What we're contending is that if you want to actually do it, you have to have your conversation guided by that so that that can happen.

It won't happen if we don't talk about it.

You know what I mean?

We have to talk about it.

We have to sing about it, we have to dance about it.

That's why ceremonies and rituals and rites of passage are so critical and a lot of people don't even do them anymore.

But the more ceremonies you do, you can understand the sacredness and the preciousness of life.

Foremost, you know, grandbabies, great grandbabies, you know, not just two leggeds, you know, all the animals, all, I mean people are getting on the bandwagon that all animals are sentient natives.

There are countries now that, that are declaring constitutions, other living creatures besides humans, you know, that have, you know, a seat at the table, they have a voice, you know, which didn't happen for a while.

And in the United States, I mean the random conversations you bring me to in this country are ridiculous.

You know what I mean?

When you think about it, I mean it's like Mad magazine, remember that magazine?

Oh yeah.

And I was talking to somebody yesterday, we were musing on about all of the stuff that's going on in the intelligence realms and the agencies and the different intelligence groups around the world.

And we likened it to that old cartoon of spy versus Spy, right?

It's like they're all out there trying to out out intel and out spy the other and, and they're causing, you know, enough of the chaos itself.

But one of the things that you mentioned earlier made me think about this transformative change that we're seeing and how in from my perspective, I think there's

more,

there's more integrity, authenticity through transparency that's happening in the global populace of humans.

And I saw about a year and a half ago I started calling it.

I think what we're going to see is the rise of the pissed off peeps.

In other words, people are going to start seeing the truth, the knowledge apocalypse is the unveiling of all of the lies and the crap and the nonsense that's been built up and packed on and shoved in and up all of this conversation and people and they're starting to see that the majority of it, if not all of it is complete bullshit and they're getting pissed off about it.

And one of the things that we're seeing as a symptom or an example of that is what's going on with these farmers.

Going back to the whole, you know, how do we work with a sustainable resource laden Gaia and Mother that is provides all of our sustenance and all of the resources we need.

Well now you've got these farmers in all these countries that have just said we've had enough of you politicians, bureaucrats and administrative idiots.

And now we're going to bring all of the manure that we need and that we create by doing farming and we're going to pile it up around your place and we're going to watch you crawl through the crap on your own.

So I think there's a rise of the pissed off peeps afoot.

People have had enough.

They're starting to more and more every day see the lies and they're seeing through the lies and the bullshit and they're going, that's it.

We've had enough of you guys.

We've listened to you.

Your credibility is tanked because of the way you've clearly tried to engineer and control people and it's broken.

None of it works anymore.

They try to pull it.

In my opinion, if they try to pull another pandemic, people are going to go, sorry, you guys blew the last one.

We're not going to believe you this time.

So I think the self organizing, collective of the individual, self examining conscious humans is what we're seeing that transformation of.

And I think it starts with a clarity and a refinement of the conversation, the importance of that transparency in the conversation and it being as real and as honest and as truthful as it can and needs to be.

And I think that's exactly what you're doing, what you're talking about.

And I got to tell you, Tom, every time, as I said, I have a conversation with you about this, it just fills me with hope, gives me more clarity and energy and just God speed to what you're doing and the way that you're doing it.

Because I think you are at that nut, you are the nut of the nugget in this, in this transformation time that we're in.

And I really appreciate being able to spend time with you and have this conversation, the conversation, the kind of authentic conversation with integrity that needs to happen.

And I, I applaud you and honor you for that.

Thank you very much.

Well, thank you for saying so.

I appreciate it.

We, you know, we're the same thing.

It's like we are both in our own way holding up the stream, you know, of a precious life for generations to come.

You know, once upon a time it was so simple.

You know, if it lasted seven generations, do it.

If it don't last seven generations, don't do it.

You know what I mean?

It was pretty simple.

If it's going to hurt anybody, don't do it.

You know what I mean?

If they ain't going to hurt anybody, go ahead and do it.

You know, that kind of thing, right?

But Anymore money has entered the picture and, you know, wealth or the idea, ideology of wealth and whatever else.

And so we have to break through that.

You're right.

And so I'm.

I'm excited about that too.

I have hope, I think.

I think the Creator is in charge.

And I think that's why they call it the Great Mystery, because there really are no answers.

You know, there's just this.

That's why I think no matter what anybody says or how anybody goes, there's the best place for all concern is in kindness, mindful kindness.

You know, like Tich Nhat Hanh talks about it, you know, that's.

We've got to do that if we want the future to be here for our granddaddies and our great granddaddies and so forth and so on.

I went into a ceremony not long ago, and I could envision in my cellular memory one of my forefathers dodging dinosaur feet to get a drink of water, apologetic for these people.

You know, I try to be understanding and I think, well, I know how it is that you really don't need all these things and you don't realize what harm.

Because, I mean, when you really get into the.

To the nuts and bolts of what it takes to create the supply chain we all depend on, and you look at all these cities where 90% of the people are living on 10% of the land.

None of these cities have any resources.

We have to feed them.

They're like on life support.

We send in the food, we have to go in and clean up the mess.

We have to take the garbage out.

We have millions and millions of people.

And so the only ones that seem to have any hope are the ones living in the woods who know how to get their own food, who are off the grid.

You know, what I mean is they.

They're taking care of it.

They're taking care of the land.

They're taking care of the land lands, taking care of them.

But pretty soon that's going to have to be the inevitable outcome of this incredible time we're going through.

And there's two things that I'd like to add to that One.

A hundred years ago, we were all preppers.

Yeah, yeah, right, right.

So the fact that it's come back around is, I think, kind of an interesting perspective.

But I think the fundamental thing that we're kind of.

That we've been talking about, specifically in various aspects of it is the understanding of value.

What is that word and how is it used?

The mutual exchange is something that people and Just looking at, for example, just the conversation here with you and me, what is the value definitions that we're using to have this conversation?

The value of respect, the value of the integrity, being authentic, being real, talking about the actual nuts in the nuggets, Right?

And I think that a return to what is fundamental and how people define value is really one of the core things that everything, that everything is getting filtered through that is a part of this transformation.

People hold on to things like you were talking about wealth, right?

Well, that's a, a definition or a perspective of value that certain people have said, well, that's where my value is.

My value metrics and how I measure all of that stuff is based around this thing called currency and coinage and whatever it might be in as much of the biggest piles as you can get.

But at the end of the day, the real value is the one to one conversation and relationship, the exchange of value between yourself and those that you are exchanging conversation with.

And I think that that value, that's the authenticity, that's the transparency being the truth.

Frequency is what is that value that you're exchanging?

And again, the value that I have and that I share with you in these conversations is second to none.

It's the kind of.

I agree.

It gives me in my heart that, that wonderful feeling of, ah, man, was that really some good value exchange?

I enjoyed that very much.

I want some more.

That's right.

Well, you know, we're living examples of children that play well together with other children.

That's right.

And you have to be able to, you have to be able to know that you can get out on the playground and you can share.

Yeah, that's right.

Yeah.

And the more integrity you have, the more integrity we develop.

Honesty and mercy and reverence and respect and dignity.

And all these things are critical right now because we're at that time, it's kind of like the Titanic, you know, when it was like this and everybody was running around on deck trying to move the deck furniture around.

They were in the bar, argued over their bar tab.

All the indigenous people were down below.

They saw the problem and then you had to fix it, but nobody wanted to talk to them.

And all the people who were promised that the boat wouldn't sink, we're running around on the decks saying, it ain't happening.

Who you going to believe, me or you're lying eyes.

Right, right.

And the boat sunk.

And that's kind of where we are right now.

You know, our supply chain is tilted.

We can actually see the damage in the side of the hull.

We know the inevitable outcome, but hopefully we'll be able to repair this and continue on our journey before it actually takes its toll.

And I think that's what's happening.

And I think that there is hope.

I think there is somewhere deep inside of us, even if we can't articulate it, a longing, you know, for family, A longing for someone to care.

A longing to care for someone, you know, it's.

It's deep.

And so we have to uncover it.

That's what ceremonies and rituals do.

They uncover that and make people feel okay.

But, you know, people get hurt.

People say things and do things and then they go into shells.

And we got psychiatrists, you know, all over the place when people say, well, you know, it's the language.

When you can do things like manipulate and deceive and plot, scheme and lie and cheat and steal, but if you have a language where those words don't exist, then you don't go there.

It seems like we've created a language perfectly suited for psychotherapy.

It's become mental parasites in a mental prison.

Yeah, right.

I mean, yeah.

Well, I know that we're going to follow up with this conversation after your return trip from Europe.

I got to tell you, you have serious steel cajones taking this flight on the eclipse next Monday.

Oh, yeah, I'm going to be 30,000ft.

Solar eclipse.

That's going to be weird.

I would not want to do that, but I don't think that we're going to.

It's interesting.

Again, we're talking about the language and all of the hype around that event, which is a celestial astronomical event, astrological event.

We've got the whole mercury in retrograde thing, and we've got a whole bunch of really interesting alignments that haven't happened in apparently centuries.

But your trip, you're going over to Germany, you're going to do ceremony to do some education.

I think you're doing some interviews over there as well, right?

Well, yeah.

Right now, I just got the itinerary last night.

I'm going to do two television interviews.

I'm going to participate in a documentary about the Black Forest called the Caring for the Forest.

I'll do three lodges and then two kind of, they call them lecture series.

But for me, you know, just like this, I don't treat it like a lecture.

I treat it like a conversation.

It's just a conversation with a couple of hundred people and so.

But it's still a conversation.

Everybody who has something to say can, can, by all Means say it and, and it's going to be at a place called the Bildefeld University in Bellefeld, Germany.

It's kind of like an mit, It's a robotic engineering college.

And so that's going to be interesting for me because the conversation is around ethics and morals and value based decision making skills and how they might apply to artificial intelligence and robots, robotic engineering.

I mean, I don't know what to think about all this.

I just think that any way that we can express the criticalness of being kind and mindful and, and respectful for each other is a good thing.

So yeah, I mean if we don't do this, I mean, stupid people is bad enough.

Stupid robots, it's going to be even worse.

I agree with that.

But as you were describing that I was imagining a Tom Bluewolf robot so that they had cloned you.

And this robot is just speaking about this ancient wisdom and the authenticity of.

And I'm thinking that would just, that would take the whole robotic field and turn it on its head.

So I think I'm wishing you all the best in that and really interested in how that turns out.

So in closing here, I know that when you get back we're going to do a follow up to your trip.

Talk more about this conversation that we're having now between you and I and then how that conversation we see unfolding and particularly after your trip and the lectures.

And I'm really interested to hear what happens when you get in there.

Me too.

Start injecting some of Tom Blue Wolf into a robot.

It might just go on tilt, you know.

Yeah, well, I'm thinking the robot would move up into Quebec, find a cabin somewhere in the wilderness and retire.

The robots off the grid.

I think that there's a lot of really interesting potential on this whole AI machine learning EIO stuff.

And it's just going to be a matter of how the collective, the self organizing collective gets engaged and is involved in it so that it has more of the, the authenticity of real people being involved in its development, its deployment, its use and all of that.

Because it can certainly be, as we've already seen, it's all about the programming.

It's all about who programs it.

It's all about the language that they use in the program and what they tell it it can do and it can't do.

And we're seeing all these tech guys having all kinds of catastrophic events rolling out their pre programmed woke, narrowly minded ideological programming and it just dumps out more of the same crap and people are Going, oh, I'm afraid it's going to take my job.

I said, well, did you see what it just did?

It can't even do its own job.

So you might need to just back off the concern and the worry a little bit.

I don't think it's going to be the apocalyptic or catastrophic rollout that people are fearful of.

But you know, like we were saying, they're using fear based linguistics and language to control the way that people see it and think about it.

But in reality, I think that technology is going to be very profound and it's going to be to the benefit.

We're going to figure out not only how to use, you know, the natural resources of Gaia and our mother earth here, and how the solar system and the cosmos, the ether, everything that we inhabit, we're in space.

Space is required for us to be in the place that space is in and we don't having an understanding and awareness of how open and actually everything that we need, water, air, communication, energy is in the space and the air that we breathe.

Otherwise it wouldn't exist in the forms that we know it as.

And I think that that reality is what people are really going to start having an awareness of and an awakening to.

So just like being able to understand a more mathematical and logical and common sense way of utilizing the resources that we need in order to inhabit the reality that we're in, we're going to see that same thing happen on the technology side.

I think people are going to see it and go, well, you know, we can use this in a really beneficial way.

Sound and light, medicine and healing, I think is going to be one of the most profound things that we're going to see.

The plant medicines that you mentioned are already starting to make an impact on the way in which health and wellness is actually viewed.

Because the allopathic model doesn't take into account all of the way that the biology naturally functions.

So we're seeing that transformation.

But all these things give me hope.

Just like this conversation I'm having with you, my friend.

My grandmother used to say time was created so everything wouldn't all happen at once.

And space was created so it wouldn't all happen to you.

I love it.

Yeah, that's right.

Well, Tom, it's been the usual honor and privilege and pleasure to.

Oh, likewise, likewise.

I enjoy your company and we have awesome conversations.

Always makes me feel thoughtful and again, hopeful and encouraged and excited about moving into what we call the future.

It makes me feel good about, like you said, continuing our ancestors in training.

Yes, that's right.

We are the ancestors of the future and we want to be good ones.

Right?

Yes.

Well, thanks again.

My brother and I look forward to having the follow up conversation after your trip.

And I'm sure that's going to be just as exciting and very, very interesting.

So thank you.

Post eclipse.

Yes.

Enjoy, my friend.

Take care, brother.

Talk to you soon.

Have a safe trip.

Thank you.

Bye for now.

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