Exploring the Intersection of Technology and Artistic Expression - Jonn Serrie - Part 2

Equals MC squared.

Can't get away.

Poor old Einstein.

It's too bad he's not alive now to see how much that shit's changed and how much shit people are giving him.

And kind of deservedly so.

But that's another conversation.

And it always fascinates me, even when I say the words energy equals mass times the speed of light squared.

Now you Square, you know, 186,000 miles per second.

You got 360 something thousand miles per second, you know, per second, more than a quarter million miles per second.

It's just an extraordinary thing, you know, that the speed of light, you know, and the speed of thought is the same kind of thing that thoughts moving around your brain lickety split just like that.

And it's the light within your brain, the light within your body, you know, the soul light itself, you know, that is the energy and the mass and the speed of light squared.

It's an incredible equation.

I live by it.

I recently found an alternative definition of E equals MC squared.

And that is energy equals milk plus two coffees.

Oh, that's a good one squared.

A couple of sugars thrown in coffee.

Coffee squared, right?

Yeah.

And I thought, well, coffee is never.

Going to taste the same now.

Now you got to think about it all totally different.

That's it, Cheekles.

Coffee times milk.

That's beautiful.

Wow, man.

I think that this, the explosion of digital content and the creation of it at an, at a level that, I mean, we're seeing a tsunami of it now.

And I think we're just seeing the front part of the wave.

I think there's going to be this ginormous cacophony of content that's just going to envelop everything and you don't have to.

Inspiration we were talking about earlier and where, how, how that influences creativity.

I'm curious about people who get inspired to sit on the toilet and sing a song and become viral.

Hey, what's going on?

What's going on there, Joan?

Why is that creativity?

Is that randomness?

Is it just use and abuse of technology to make something that you're doing, which is completely, nobody wants to know about, but you do it in a way that people go, ah, go ahead and consume some of that.

What's going on there?

I don't know.

Well, it's a very fundamental human process and the brain is just completely relaxed and disconnected, let's say.

You mean when you sit on the surrender.

When you sit on the throne, you surrender and the brain is completely in relaxed state.

Yeah, you're Turned off and stuff.

This is something that goes back to the fundamental nature of being a human being.

And, you know, the same way to.

Now you can elevate that a bit and say, yes, breath, the in and out nature of the universe is expressed in each breath.

When they talk about the expanding universe and the contracting universe, and I'm a big believer, you know, that the universe is a breath that is being breathed in, breathed out.

The expansion of the universe and the ultimate contraction thereof.

You see it everywhere, expansion and contraction, you know, to the point where everything you're looking at becomes a living, breathing being.

And, you know, you're surrendering to it.

You're being involved in the process of it.

And especially with the keyboards here.

I mean, I. I look at.

At the keyboards the same way as I look at the universe is that they are potentially breathing, living beings.

You know, like, obviously you walk in in the morning, you turn them on, and that's just the nature of the thing, you know.

But they are speaking at all times.

I'm looking at the sense right now, and they're turned on a couple of years ago right now, and it's looked like they're, you know, just waiting, just anticipating, you know, the.

The interaction between you and those electrons running around in there at light speed.

That's really cool, you know, and that's why, you know, making music for me is almost like a surrender to that element, to that speed, you know, that runs the universe.

So surrendering to the interaction and integration of the energies that are available to you and having, in a sense, a relationship with them.

Yes, right.

You want to engage them so that they can engage with you.

And that exchange and that symbiosis comes something that is prime.

It's driven by you because you're the one that's actually engaging in that.

The keyboards aren't doing it by themselves.

They're making themselves available to you.

They are making themselves available, and that's precisely that.

And you are in a state of awareness where you're engaging with them for what they have to offer to you as you engage with them.

And they have not only the stuff that you can see or that you know about to offer, but they got a whole bunch of hidden stuff in there that takes some exploration, takes some.

Some intent and some motivation to go, what else you got in there?

Yeah, come follow me, follow me.

Now I have something to show you, you know, and I respect that, you know, out of each and every one of these keyboards is like, the opportunity for it to speak directly to me.

Come, follow.

I'm going to take you on a journey like that.

And it all starts there, you know, and it ends up being a recording which goes out into the world, which comes back E equals MC squared.

Once again, you just can't get away from that equation.

It's, you know, it's one universe and ain't two.

It's one in many forms, infinite form, One universe.

Yeah.

I finally got to a point where I was trying to find definitions of the experience that I have, the delineations and the distinctions and the definitions of them.

Because we all know that doesn't matter if it's theology, philosophy, sciences, or the mystic arts or mystery schools.

Everybody's got, you know, some explanation of how things are and why it is.

Yeah, right.

They're all over.

Exactly right.

Everybody from the yogis at 15,000ft that have been there, you know, all the way down to the middle of New York City on 42nd street, whatever, you know, that intellect, that shining light in each one of those souls, you know, comes from on high.

But at the same time, it comes from the children say the craziest things.

Sometimes there's more wisdom in a child's breath than there is in a college education.

I gotta tell you.

Amazing thing.

When Linklitter had that series of Kids say the Darndest Things.

Remember that back in the.

Yes.

60s, I mean, there was nothing but.

Well, there was a lot of hilarity.

And you can see where some of these kids were, their parents were, and where they were getting their thoughts.

But there were so many like.

Okay, well, that was profound.

Yeah.

And the cool thing is that you can call that up now on the Internet, the Art Link letter show, and sit in the audience and rerun the entire thing with, like, just so many hundreds of children that sent a.

This thing.

And some of it, you know, the genius of Einstein would come out of these children's mouth and would floor everybody in the audience.

And the thing is, it's out there for you to see right now.

It's all on YouTube.

It's all there.

It's not lost at all.

Everything's been resurrected now.

And that.

Isn't that a wonderful thing for.

It's an incredible thing because now we have the chance even to relive our childhoods if we want to.

Just going back and watching Popeye the Sailor man or something like that, you know, all of a sudden it all comes tumbling back.

And it's a wonderful thing.

You know, I go back sometimes and look at Daffy Doug cartoons and, you know, The.

My favorite was always the Roadrunner.

Beep, beep.

You know, and no matter what, you just couldn't catch the thing.

Well, the coyote and the roadrunner.

Life lesson right there.

Yeah, exactly.

The coyote, Roadrunner and the Acme Company are featured in Memes Across God Knows what.

And they're perfect.

You drop a coyote in a meme and you go, okay, well, I know where this is going.

Yeah.

You know, there's so much wisdom out there and.

Yeah.

So the creativity, the inspiration for creativity.

Right.

People think about, you know, they have some interest, they have some proclivity.

Peccadillo for doing something, drawing, singing, playing an instrument.

Remember Silly Putty?

Funny you should say that.

You know, I still have some of that.

And they still sell it.

They still sell it.

I wish I had the copyright on Silly Putty because there have been billions of containers of that sold around the world.

And I used to play with that stuff as a child endlessly.

Yeah.

Where you just create things and bounce it off the wall and come back.

To you when it was the first copy machine you ever taken that, smashing it on the comic.

I mean, especially the colored comics you pull up.

Wow, look at that.

There it is right there.

You know, it's just amazing stuff, you know, I just.

Wow.

Used to love to play with that stuff, man.

Just talking about it.

This brings back endless childhood memories of me sitting in my bedroom just playing with Silly Putty.

Just.

Yeah.

I can not only smell it, but I can taste it just thinking about it.

Yeah, that's true.

It's amazing, you know, Just amazing.

You can maintain your childlikeness, you know, Just let go.

Let go of the past, be in the present moment, and you're a child again, you know, the wonder of the universe, you know, the eyes wide open, you know, just looking at everything.

Just like how fresh and how beautiful it all looks.

And like that's.

Annie and I will always go down to the shore for that reason, you know, and just stick our toes in the water and say, I'm at the instant of creation.

I'm at the very beginning right here.

Look at that seagull.

He's been there all along.

It's an amazing stuff.

We're gonna.

We're gonna go back in a couple days.

Days, you know, and just walk around the beach.

Just.

Just walk back and forth, you know, and just, ah, sit down in the sand and play like a child.

Build a sandcastle, you know.

Brother Tom on.

On our last conversation was talking about how he decided that he had to get away from the city.

Because it looked like a.

A giant concrete thing on life support, you know, because you got all the.

You got all the.

All the supplies have to be pumped in, have to be brought in, and they got to be maintained or the thing, you know, doesn't operate.

So he says when he.

He needs to reconnect on his property up there, there's a waterfall on it.

And he said.

He just walks back there and just sits and has conversation with the waterfall.

Yeah.

It's real music.

And he gets centered again.

Yeah.

Yep.

Right back to the beginning.

In the beginning was the waterfall.

In the beginning was the ocean.

In the beginning was your smile.

The beginning.

All there.

I hear that a lot.

Yep.

You got a great smile on.

Oh, yeah, you do.

So this creativity thing, I think that it has been.

Well, aside from being pushed aside from the whole idea of what is inspiration?

How.

What is imagination?

Imagination is where 90% of my inspiration comes from.

Yes.

Because I'm out there wandering in my field of awareness and imagination, and I'm looking at stuff, and I stumble on some.

I go, what the hell's that?

And next thing I know, I'm exploring it.

And a lot of times, because of the artistic nature that we.

You and I, share, we just.

There's a natural.

More natural resonance that we experience because of who we are than other people.

And in.

Is particularly in the expression of music, sound and music.

So that's one of the reasons we resonate so well and enjoy having conversations together.

It's like, well, yeah, we're on that same.

We're in that same frequency band of.

There's that music thing that we like to go play with.

Yeah.

Energy.

Yeah.

Like, really.

Enjoyment equals music times comfort squared.

Yeah.

And back in the studio days, we did a lot of that and had just an outstanding time with it.

And I think that the.

We really did the.

The inspiration came from not only the desire and the natural abilities and resonance that we had, but we were able to put together an environment to where we could go enjoy it to the maximum.

Yeah.

And relive so many great things.

You know, that's the reason why I bought the Moss.

Right.

Guitar.

Because I was brought up on the Ventures.

You know, Walk Don't Run was very big in the late 60s and 60s, you know, and I always worshiped that guitar as the ultimate shape and the ultimate sound.

And so finally I just said, okay, lay the money down.

And it's true.

When you strap that thing on, it just becomes you.

So I'm going back and I'm Learning, you know, relearning all of my walk don't run Pipeline.

And I'm having a ball with it with my little echo phaser unit, you know, this kind of thing, and just go, just go nuts, you know, I don't know if I'm ever going to really record, you know, that way with it, but it's my escape from and my escape to at the same time.

Well, I would encourage you to, whether you want to record it and play it for something or not, that you need to plug it in and record it and see what you might get.

Because that's true.

That's one of the things that I've learned, especially when I had the studio.

I mean, it was in my house, so I was able just to go down to the bottom floor control room, the deck and all that stuff, and I just turn on whatever I wanted to turn on and go on and hit that record button and just go in there and wank all by myself.

Yeah, yeah.

And it was amazing.

I mean, I enjoyed, I created a lot of the, the pieces that I did for label.

Unfortunately, I built a studio to produce my stuff, but I ended up producing everybody else because I started with the studio and then it became a label because I was producing other people like Tom and.

Yeah, that's true.

Yeah.

So you're going to get back to that, man.

I, I, Yes.

Yeah.

It was way too much fun.

And knowing now what I didn't know then, it's going to be 10x, you know, that's true.

I, I and the two and of course, the tools and toys have come along nicely, so there's, it's even easier to do even more, more better things.

Yeah.

And that in and of itself is inspirational.

Yeah, that's true, that's true.

The technology is, is triggering off all kinds of ideas, you know, and your brain never really forgets anything.

And every once in a while, you know, you're having this beautiful dream.

You wake up and you go, I was, I was just there.

Happened to me a couple nights ago, you know, I was surrounded by guitars and I was playing down by the beach.

Oh, man.

I mean, it was wonderful, you know, and it was a very real, you know, experience.

I went downstairs, pick up the guitar and yeah, it was just like that.

It was just that.

So I was making the point about, I think the whole inspiration and creativity thing has kind of been pushed aside.

People have been covered with extraneous nonsense and bullshit that keeps them from being able to connect with that inspiration and creativity.

That's Very true, in my opinion, what I'm saying.

Do you see or think that that will correct itself in the future?

Yeah, I think it comes down to each individual.

You know, I'm reading a book right now on how the brain functions with.

Sometimes there's resistance to learning or resistance to confidence, that type thing, you know.

And the way to do that is they say, just continue.

Don't quit.

Just continue to play or continue to create.

Continue to put yourself in the situation.

If it's writing, if it's playing, if it's daydreaming, never stop daydreaming.

You know, just go beyond the limitation.

Because it's really just this little fence, you know, and you can climb over the fence or climb under the fence or climb between the railings or something like that, and look at it with a childlike thing.

I'm just going to go.

I'm going to go beyond this because there's a playground on the other side of this, which is really going to be, you know, comforting to me, which is going to be exciting.

It's going to show me other playgrounds that exist in other places.

You know, this kind of thing, you know, astral playgrounds, ethereal playground.

And I'm a big, big participant in that, you know, is the process of meditation, which I've been doing for 35, 40 years now, actually.

No, 47 years, I think I've been involved in meditation, and I've tried to do it twice a day every day for that 47 years.

And it does make a huge difference in your ability, you know, to create and also to let go of the past, you know, and not to carry around, you know, oh, I missed this opportunity.

Oh, I don't know about that.

It's like.

No, it's the ability to maintain the consciousness of the present moment and to go from there, you know, because it's funny how the present moment is infinite, and it's the only thing that really is infinite as far as the human experience can go.

You can remember.

Yes.

And you can project into the future.

Yes.

But you're always living in the present moment, and you simply can't get away from it, no matter how hard you try.

Because it really is.

The present moment is the ultimate gift.

You're swimming in it.

It's wonderful.

I've recently come to the opinion, or at least perspective, that the idea of being in the present or being in the now is not possible because we're always in the next.

Yeah, that's true.

This part of your brain, it's like Just anticipating.

And we're always present.

You know, the now is.

There's a signature, a stamp, if you will, of the frequencies of that moment, that instant.

But it's now past.

You're now in the next.

And that, to me, is an example of the way one of the characteristics of consciousness.

Consciousness seems to express itself in a constant motion.

Yeah, Continuum, tempting.

And it's always creating more of itself.

There's always.

It's like it's time.

So I think that the universe which is expressed and created from consciousness is always expanding.

It's always.

There's always more of it.

And, you know, James Webb Space Telescope with the infrared sensories have already pushed back the old brig bang theory of 13 billion to close to 40 billion, as far as how long it's supposed to have been here.

Yes.

So isn't that amazing?

Yeah.

And to me, you know, I just look at it and I admit I have a guilty pleasure of going and poking fun at physicists and scientists and people who are all in the grit model, all in the billiard balls bouncing off of each other.

And one of my most recent ones was, I go in there and say, hey, you physicists, you got some questions.

Space, it's a vacuum, right?

Well, of course.

Nothing exists in a vacuum, right?

Well, yes.

Well, then how the hell are the planets and the stars and the galaxies and the solar systems and all that stuff?

How does it exist in space?

Yeah, they start mumbling.

They start mumbling some calculations and theorems, and I'm like, none of that is answering the question.

Yeah, that's right.

Because the question is so big.

It's just the way it is.

We don't know the.

How it.

How the.

How it works.

We know what it does.

We don't know who or why.

We just know that it does because we all experience that.

That's the only thing we've got to go on.

So to me, when I thought about.

And I was a part of that New Age stuff back in the 90s, you remember, I was hippie, dippy, New Age, in the light, being the now find, the guru in you, all that, right?

And I realized that that was all a bunch of bullshit.

That the problem was is that, first of all, you're never in the now.

You're always in the next, because you're always thinking next.

You're always in the next from where you were.

You know, as the great Tao of Pooh said, I always get to where I'm going by leaving where I was.

Right.

Well, you're always leaving where you were.

Even though you and I are sitting here, we're always in the next moment and the next instant of the energy and the frequencies that are constantly in motion, moving and waving as they go, as it goes forward, creating something new.

Yeah.

So my argument or position, in my opinion, is that creativity is.

That is consciousness, that is reality.

Because that's what it does.

It's always creating more and new.

Yeah.

And it does that.

Go ahead.

Sure.

No, I was just thinking about the Beatles song, Turn off your mind, relax and float downstream.

It is shining that you may know the meaning from within.

It is being who plays the game Existence from the end of the beginning.

And that was unleashed in 1966.

And it just stuck in my mind.

And to this day, you know, there ain't a day that goes by that I don't know, dream of that song and think about it, you know, because it was the perfect expression.

Who plays the game Existence from the end to the beginning.

There it is.

E equals MC squared.

That's every equation you will need to know, right.

That existed, you know, as a lyric from John Lennon's mind.

There it is.

And it just never left me.

That was one of the triggers, I think, that really made me take music seriously, you know, the fact that I knew that I had talent and I got a good founding of it with my piano teacher.

But it really was the genius of the Beatles, you know, in those days that were pushing the boundaries.

Just every time with every song that they came up with, you know, it would just blow my mind completely.

And it would really drive me into, like, you just keep getting better, you know, until you get so good that they can't ignore you, you know.

And I remember Yanni telling me that, you know, he says.

I said, so, how's it going?

And we started talking about music.

And he said, look, the secret of the whole thing is to get so good at what you do that they can't ignore you.

It never left me.

And I said, wow, you know, that is a challenge and a half right there.

And that really kind of drove what I was doing.

It was like, okay, here's this little niche called space music, and there ain't a lot of people doing that.

I was very lucky to be able to go to work with space music, to work with NASA and Space Telescope Science Institute and those places where I had an outlet for it.

But just to cut your mind and your creativity, it's so loose, I mean, that you're floating around Saturn's rings on a daily basis type thing.

Put yourself there and you can't help but be creative.

Then the synthesizers look at you and go, yeah, now you're getting it.

That kind of thing.

It's a wonderful thing to deal with.

So I don't think he answered my question, so I'll ask it again.

Ask it again.

You went on a great squirrel hunt there.

That was awesome.

But I think the point that we both just agreed on while chasing that.

Yeah, what was the question?

Tell me.

What we agreed on was that creativity is just a natural part of our existence and it's been suppressed.

The inspiration to create has equally been suppressed.

And you can see the results of that and all the symptoms that.

I think that a lot of the symptoms that people are experiencing with all kinds of mental consternation, fornication and gymnastics, trying to figure out how the hell do they make sense of the reality they're in when all they really.

Exactly.

Because they've tossed a bunch of crap into the consciousness which ends up in the conversation because people can't have a conversation because they're all screwed up with a bunch of stuff.

The point being is that once you get back to, like, your point about meditation, how much focus you spend on balancing and being in tune with yourself, to Tom's point about getting out to nature and being by the waterfall to balance himself at that point, I think is the most optimal way in which to access the creativity and the inspiration that we don't see a lot of anymore.

Right.

So then my question was.

My question was, do you think that will change going forward in the future?

Do you think that creativity and inspiration will get some of the shackles taken off and people will be able to unleash or find their creativity in particular?

And I'll add this as a part of the bonus, through the use of technology.

Yes.

The answer to that is yes.

And I think that I have a lot of faith in the ability of young minds that are unafraid of technology, that can just walk right up to it and fall right in and really understand it, you know, with a fresh, young, childlike mind.

And I have a lot of faith in that young mindness, let's say that is that seems to run throughout the human race.

There's always going to be this spark, you know, of that young mind which is unbridled by anything and nothing holding it back and just to express itself, you know, with the tools that we have here and their ability, you know, with electronics, computers, Internet, you know, this kind of thing, even going into the biological sciences and stuff, there's some genius level children out there that just blow my mind.

And they're on the Internet, you know, they're talking and websites and the rest of it, you know, it's extraordinary.

Sometimes what's out there that brings, that gives me faith, that really does.

When I see those young minds, you know, just expressing this genius level.

It's kind of inspirational.

Isn't.

Truly is.

It really is.

You know, be as a child, they say, and that's written in just about every scripture there is, is the childlikeness, you know, and that was the funny thing about the Buddha was that he maintained that childness, you know, and every great master that's ever been here has said the same thing be as a child.

That open free expression, the smile on the face of the youngster, you know, the baby that always is smiling and the light pouring out of their eyes, you know, that kind of thing.

Don't let that get old.

Don't want to get old.

Well, that's going back to me like that.

It's going back to the roots of who.

How we actually iterate and come into this biological material that we.

And these carbon based meat suits that.

We Uber carbon based units.

We've, we've selected our Uber for this particular iteration and that's what you get.

So you got to work on it.

But it's before if you're, if it's a, you know, in that childlike state.

It's before that all the crap's been thrown on you.

Yeah.

It smothers all of that innate, natural characteristic of creativity, which is just.

That's how we live.

We are always creating.

You and I are creating at the nanosecond level, having this conversation.

That's true, very true.

Right?

Yeah.

And I get inspired having the conversation with you.

So I'm getting a twofer.

Yeah.

That's why I really respect teachers who can really inspire the students.

There's some genius level teachers out there that know how to.

With a word or two or the phrase or something that might do is just can trigger creativity in a child that will never end.

It's just amazing.

What about the opportunity to be a seasoned senior citizen content creator with all of this experience and all these things and be able to exchange that with the new ones that have come along to share that knowledge.

So you can share your experience like you're talking about with the, you know, these incredible teachers.

You're able to share this lifetime of, in some cases more than a lifetime of experience and, and knowledge and share that with them.

And then they're taking it and just turning it right back and adding their own stuff.

And we end up being inspired and seeing, like, I agree with you.

There are some amazing musicians and they're all, like, in their.

Maybe their late teens to their late twenties.

Yeah, right.

We are 3x their age, easy.

We.

So we've been around that three times longer than they have.

And they are coming on and they are stringing it and they.

The ones that I've seen in particular, some of the characteristics I've noticed is that they're very dedicated.

They're very focused on.

On being the best.

To your point, being the best they can be on that instrument.

You know what Yanni said to you, right?

Yes.

And to the exclusion of all of the social constructs and crap and the chaos that all the other people their age are consumed with, these kids are coming in and they're bringing it.

And I don't know.

They truly are.

I don't know how many times I've used that axiom of that's how it's done, son.

So many times.

Watching.

Watching some of these incredible musicians.

Like, what?

Some of them are taking the technique applied to the instrument to a whole nother level that people have never done.

May have thought of.

But these kids.

Matteo Mancusco is one in particular.

On guitarist 25, I think his whole thing is he plays kind of a hybrid classical, flamingo finger pick.

But he's a monster.

He's taken all of the theory, he knows all.

He.

He started off with classical, now he's playing jazz fusion.

And he's.

Wow.

He sits down and blows people's minds wherever he goes.

And it's because of his dedication to the instrument and to his application of applying his skills.

And his technique is like nobody else's.

Nobody has seen this kind of technique.

They're going, Rick Beato did an interview with him and he's.

Rick's just sitting there.

He's.

Rick's our age and he's.

He's saying, show me how you do the.

You know, the staccato, just blazing riffs.

How do you pick that?

How do you make it go?

And Mateo showed him.

And Rick just sat there.

I don't even know.

I wouldn't know how to start to approach that.

Wow.

And Rick's been playing guitar for 35, 40 years.

He's an amazing guy.

Rick.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know, he just had heart surgery.

Oh, wow.

I didn't know that.

Really?

Yeah.

He said some kind of stint put in.

He's known about it for, I guess, about 10 years.

And the doctors kept saying, well, in three to five years you might need surgery.

And then he was.

He actually put up a video today because everybody want to know how he was doing.

And he said, you know, my heart doctor said 10 years ago, 35 years.

And I asked him five years later and he said, three to five years.

And Rick said, you told me that last time.

When is this, you know, when is this going to happen or not?

So the only symptoms he had was that he started finding that his afternoon energy just dropped for a few months.

The other natty felt fine.

So he went up and had tests in Cleveland.

They went in and did the surgery.

And that was a week ago.

And he's back home now making videos.

And back to Rick's.

Incredible.

The contribution that that man is throwing out to all musicians, there's nothing like it.

Yeah, he's amazing.

He's dropping everything from the music theory and technique to instruments to producing to recording.

He's dropping it all.

And it's awesome.

But we're seeing, there's another example of what we were talking about.

Here we are being the, the senior citizen class and there's this whole new breed and class of musicians seem to have skipped a couple of generations.

Yeah, seems to be a gap that I don't know what they call themselves, the ones that are two and three behind us, but they, they don't.

These people, I don't know, I haven't seen them be able to start a push mower.

They.

They don't.

There's no anything going on there.

Kids in this latest generation are the newest.

That's where I'm seeing a lot of the incredible mastery of, of the, of the instruments and just highly inspirational for me.

I mean, I'm looking at.

I just had my 67th a couple of actually a week ago today, and I'm looking at some of these.

I'm going, I know I can figure that.

Let me get a little Holdsworth going on first.

And then I'll try to figure out how he did that.

But it makes me want to go try.

Will I get there?

Probably not, but I don't know until I try.

And I'm inspired because of the performance, the mastery, and it makes me want to go play too.

It's always funny when you see, especially in Guitar World, somebody goes and sees some monster guitar player and they just go, that's it.

I'm never playing guitar again.

I'm going, oh, you poor bastard.

You're missing out on the real experiencer.

Yeah, that should be inspirational.

It's true.

I think when I, when I was checking out early Jeff Beck stuff, when he used to play there, you know, Jimmy Page would go to see him play and he would even say, that's it, I'm giving up guitar.

That's it.

And I confer Jimmy Page to say that, you know, really says something.

I'm a big time Jeff Beck fan as far as that goes.

But we all have our heroes.

We all have, you know, those guys on the mountaintop, you know, and I'll always look at Emerson that way.

Keith Emerson and Shostakovich, piano players and great composers, you know, those people whose genius just light years.

Well, I think that we're gonna see.

I think we're gonna see a revival of the awareness of creativity and its innate nature that we all have.

It's all in our consciousness.

Yeah.

And I think the inspiration to.

Once that's recognized and people become aware of it, I think the inspiration is going to come along and then there's going to be all of this littered landscape of stuff that people have used and created with technology and somebody's going to go, well, they didn't do that very well or that sucked.

But I know what to do with that.

Let me take that over here.

And I'm going to do something creative with it.

I am inspired because of the sound that it created, because of the, the way in which it was done, whatever it might be.

But inspiration and creativity, in my opinion, is going to be ironically so fueled by technology.

Yeah, I believe that too.

Technology would be the challenge.

And it's going to get smart.

Like we say, you know, AI will get smart.

But you know, my creativity says, yeah, bring it on.

I'm going to use you.

You're not going.

It's so nice to be used.

Yeah.

Open the pas bay doors, please.

Hal.

I'm sorry, Dave.

This conversation serves no purpose.

I can't let you do that, Dave.

What a lesson, you know, of 1968.

What a lesson that was in 2001, you know, and here we are.

How precious.

With these brainiac type computers that are talking back at you.

Well, I don't think that we're going to see anything.

Like I said earlier, the HAL 9000 terminator singularity is not going to happen with the technology that we have today.

Yeah, I think you're right.

You know, there's too much rebellion going on out there.

We did our geezer geek show Saturday night was someone's got some explaining to do because that's great.

There's so much stuff that is just by itself.

You just, you look at it and you go, well, what the hell is that?

Or wait, what?

And then, you know, the, the king of all of the questions is really, really.

And there's more of that being applied to the shit that I'm seeing all the time than ever.

I mean, it's.

Some of it is so absurd and so disconnected from any kind of connection with reality that it just becomes really.

That's where you're going.

Really?

Yeah.

You're gonna ride that horse.

Okay, have fun.

Bye.

Bye.

Knock yourself out, man.

Yeah, I'm not jumping on that ride.

Well, my friend, I think that this has been an excellent conversation on something that's very near and dear to both of our hearts and our beings, not just our hearts.

Yes.

I just enjoy myself immensely here.

And we need to have more of these because I think what we need to do is look at figuring out how we can do some interaction, playing some music with each other over this technology.

That's interesting.

Yeah, yeah, I think we can do that.

Fire up a synth, I'll strap on my six and we'll do some.

Because there is a technology called Jack Trip and it's very low latency.

It's very low latency and it allows us to essentially hear each other like we're in the same room.

But over the call, I'd like to test that with you, my friend.

Sure.

I think that'd be fun.

I think that would be a great way for a couple of galloping geezer geeks who have to be musicians to go have some fun with this tech and maybe, maybe lay some stuff down that will inspire the creativity in others, whoever they may be.

Right?

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

What a wonderful time I've had.

Just incredible.

Bob, I've had a ball here.

It's always an awesome time to have a conversation with not only like minded and spiritually minded, but energetically connected.

That to me, is where all of the other things come out.

And yeah, that's every time we have a conversation, it's like, well, we might as well have been sitting around a campfire having a beer.

Absolutely.

Yeah, right.

It feels that way.

Feels just like that.

And that's where the real conversations that I'm trying to do with the Nexus and what they're all about, so.

But you are succeeding?

Well, I'm certainly given a try.

I am getting involved.

I am inspired.

I'm engaged in trying to create something that I think will be at least interesting, if not useful, because the Nexus is about interesting subjects, interesting people and interesting conversations.

And while some people might not find these things interesting, it's like, well, okay, they need to go get a life because this is interesting, I guarantee you.

Not just interesting to us.

My brother, thank you again for coming on the Nexus.

Okay.

Yes, thank you, Robert.

It's been a real privilege to be talking with you and communicating on this level.

I love it.

Well, there's going to be a lot more of this though.

I'll see.

I'll get together with you offline and we'll see if we can figure out how to make this technology work and we'll give that away, give it a try and see what we can do and maybe share and show some folks that, hey, you too can do some cool stuff if you just kind of get inspired to go create.

Yeah, exactly.

Right.

All right, my friend.

Thanks again.

You got it.